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		<title>By: Miracles Part III: Religion or Magic? &#171; The Golden Rule</title>
		<link>http://targuman.org/blog/2009/09/21/more-on-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-53314</link>
		<dc:creator>Miracles Part III: Religion or Magic? &#171; The Golden Rule</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 07:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the similarity to discussion of the term &#8220;myth&#8221; between Alan Lenzi and Christian Brady and how &#8221;myth&#8221; is used by scholars vrs. popular [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Chris Brady</title>
		<link>http://targuman.org/blog/2009/09/21/more-on-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-53187</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Brady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 02:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no idea why Alan&#039;s comments did not go through, if you have had the same problem please let me know! Below are Alan Lenzi&#039;s comments (beginning with a quote from the above):


&quot;I certainly accept the term “myth” as a suitable literary description of Gen. 1-3&quot;
Great, I&#039;m happy we agree! :)

&quot;Saying that it is true “for those who have accepted it” while also rejecting explicitly or implicitly the truth that the text is conveying is simply condescending.&quot; 
I agree that sometimes researchers are 
condescending to whatever it is they are studying. But the descriptive 
use of the term myth need not be so.

Rather than condescension, I see the process of investigation mutually 
enlightening. Outsiders who do not accept the truth claims of a 
particular group&#039;s myths can give really useful insights or a fresh 
perspective into those myths. The insiders who accept these myths as 
paradigmatic truth may learn something about their own myths or how 
people perceive them. On the other hand, outsiders, in examining others&#039; 
myths that the outsiders do not believe as truth, can often train the 
insights they&#039;ve gained from such myths onto their own &quot;paradigmatic 
truths&quot; (myths) and learn something about themselves. There is a 
reciprocal relationship between studying others to learn about others 
and studying others to learn about oneself. Isn&#039;t that what the 
Humanities and a Liberal Arts education is at least partly about? By 
denying the general use of a descriptive categorical term that seems so 
self-evidently applicable, you reify a certain division between your 
truth (non-myth) and everyone else&#039;s nonsense (myth). Why can&#039;t your 
myths be true for you but not for me but still be myths?

I have a class where we begin by looking at Mesopotamian myths to see 
how myths function in a society and then we read Richard Hughes&#039; 
&lt;i&gt;Myths America Lives By&lt;/i&gt; to examine our own myths and ask the same 
kinds of questions we asked about Mesopotamian society. It&#039;s very 
effective to get people to think about our own political myths.

By the way, the exception you take to my analogy from the term 
&quot;theology&quot; only proved my point. &quot;Theology&quot; in many circles is loaded, 
as in a load of crap. Pure speculation. Baseless imaginings. So there&#039;s 
a subjective connotation that must be addressed when using the term. 
Furthermore, the definition you gave indicates that polytheistic 
&quot;theology&quot; isn&#039;t really theology. So you&#039;re use of the term is hegemonic 
(prescriptive) and freighted with a certain ontological presupposition. 
If it&#039;s going to be cross-culturally useful, the definition will have to 
be broadened. Your theology can be true to you whereas it may not be so 
for me. But we might both agree that it is still theology.

I&#039;ll let you have the last word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no idea why Alan&#8217;s comments did not go through, if you have had the same problem please let me know! Below are Alan Lenzi&#8217;s comments (beginning with a quote from the above):</p>
<p>&#8220;I certainly accept the term “myth” as a suitable literary description of Gen. 1-3&#8243;<br />
Great, I&#8217;m happy we agree! <img src='http://targuman.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&#8220;Saying that it is true “for those who have accepted it” while also rejecting explicitly or implicitly the truth that the text is conveying is simply condescending.&#8221;<br />
I agree that sometimes researchers are<br />
condescending to whatever it is they are studying. But the descriptive<br />
use of the term myth need not be so.</p>
<p>Rather than condescension, I see the process of investigation mutually<br />
enlightening. Outsiders who do not accept the truth claims of a<br />
particular group&#8217;s myths can give really useful insights or a fresh<br />
perspective into those myths. The insiders who accept these myths as<br />
paradigmatic truth may learn something about their own myths or how<br />
people perceive them. On the other hand, outsiders, in examining others&#8217;<br />
myths that the outsiders do not believe as truth, can often train the<br />
insights they&#8217;ve gained from such myths onto their own &#8220;paradigmatic<br />
truths&#8221; (myths) and learn something about themselves. There is a<br />
reciprocal relationship between studying others to learn about others<br />
and studying others to learn about oneself. Isn&#8217;t that what the<br />
Humanities and a Liberal Arts education is at least partly about? By<br />
denying the general use of a descriptive categorical term that seems so<br />
self-evidently applicable, you reify a certain division between your<br />
truth (non-myth) and everyone else&#8217;s nonsense (myth). Why can&#8217;t your<br />
myths be true for you but not for me but still be myths?</p>
<p>I have a class where we begin by looking at Mesopotamian myths to see<br />
how myths function in a society and then we read Richard Hughes&#8217;<br />
<i>Myths America Lives By</i> to examine our own myths and ask the same<br />
kinds of questions we asked about Mesopotamian society. It&#8217;s very<br />
effective to get people to think about our own political myths.</p>
<p>By the way, the exception you take to my analogy from the term<br />
&#8220;theology&#8221; only proved my point. &#8220;Theology&#8221; in many circles is loaded,<br />
as in a load of crap. Pure speculation. Baseless imaginings. So there&#8217;s<br />
a subjective connotation that must be addressed when using the term.<br />
Furthermore, the definition you gave indicates that polytheistic<br />
&#8220;theology&#8221; isn&#8217;t really theology. So you&#8217;re use of the term is hegemonic<br />
(prescriptive) and freighted with a certain ontological presupposition.<br />
If it&#8217;s going to be cross-culturally useful, the definition will have to<br />
be broadened. Your theology can be true to you whereas it may not be so<br />
for me. But we might both agree that it is still theology.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll let you have the last word.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Brady</title>
		<link>http://targuman.org/blog/2009/09/21/more-on-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-53163</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Brady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 00:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan - I didn&#039;t see any comment come through or get caught in spam. I will double check. Nope. I do not see anything. If it is not too much trouble, by all means repost!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan &#8211; I didn&#8217;t see any comment come through or get caught in spam. I will double check. Nope. I do not see anything. If it is not too much trouble, by all means repost!</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Lenzi</title>
		<link>http://targuman.org/blog/2009/09/21/more-on-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-53161</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Lenzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 00:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I commented but I guess it didn&#039;t make it through. ??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I commented but I guess it didn&#8217;t make it through. ??</p>
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