Comments on: “In the beginning…” What was really there? http://targuman.org/blog/2009/08/27/in-the-beginning-what-was-really-there/ Translating my thoughts into words. Thu, 24 May 2012 05:04:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Where to begin in The Beginning? – Targuman http://targuman.org/blog/2009/08/27/in-the-beginning-what-was-really-there/comment-page-1/#comment-52694 Where to begin in The Beginning? – Targuman Tue, 01 Sep 2009 17:54:06 +0000 http://targuman.org/blog/?p=3209#comment-52694 [...] week an email from a friend spurred me on to write a few thoughts about Gen. 1:1 and whether or not creation therein described as ex nihilo. There was enough encouragement [...] [...] week an email from a friend spurred me on to write a few thoughts about Gen. 1:1 and whether or not creation therein described as ex nihilo. There was enough encouragement [...]

]]> By: Chris Brady http://targuman.org/blog/2009/08/27/in-the-beginning-what-was-really-there/comment-page-1/#comment-52618 Chris Brady Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:20:02 +0000 http://targuman.org/blog/?p=3209#comment-52618 Amazing the breadth of interest, isn't it? :-) I have since "spammed" it. Amazing the breadth of interest, isn’t it? :-) I have since “spammed” it.

]]> By: John Hobbins http://targuman.org/blog/2009/08/27/in-the-beginning-what-was-really-there/comment-page-1/#comment-52616 John Hobbins Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:14:48 +0000 http://targuman.org/blog/?p=3209#comment-52616 There is interest, even from wholesale electronics! I hope you continue, Chris. There is interest, even from wholesale electronics! I hope you continue, Chris.

]]> By: Chris Brady http://targuman.org/blog/2009/08/27/in-the-beginning-what-was-really-there/comment-page-1/#comment-52607 Chris Brady Fri, 28 Aug 2009 01:27:18 +0000 http://targuman.org/blog/?p=3209#comment-52607 Thanks Allen! I have corrected it. (And to return the favor, it is Marcus Borg who wrote <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060609192?ie=UTF8&tag=theunlikelymi-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0060609192" rel="nofollow">Reading the Bible Again For the First Time: Taking the Bible Seriously But Not Literally</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=theunlikelymi-20&l=as2&o=1&a=0060609192" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" />, not a book I generally recommend, but certainly interesting.) Since there is interest, perhaps I will continue a few posts with my own reading of portions of Gen. 1-3. Thanks Allen! I have corrected it. (And to return the favor, it is Marcus Borg who wrote Reading the Bible Again For the First Time: Taking the Bible Seriously But Not Literally, not a book I generally recommend, but certainly interesting.)

Since there is interest, perhaps I will continue a few posts with my own reading of portions of Gen. 1-3.

]]> By: Allen Watson http://targuman.org/blog/2009/08/27/in-the-beginning-what-was-really-there/comment-page-1/#comment-52604 Allen Watson Fri, 28 Aug 2009 00:16:49 +0000 http://targuman.org/blog/?p=3209#comment-52604 I followed the link for that book, "In the Beginning...", and found you attributed it to the wrong author. Walton's interviewer recommends it, but the author is Marva Dawn, not Walton. I followed the link for that book, “In the Beginning…”, and found you attributed it to the wrong author. Walton’s interviewer recommends it, but the author is Marva Dawn, not Walton.

]]> By: Allen Watson http://targuman.org/blog/2009/08/27/in-the-beginning-what-was-really-there/comment-page-1/#comment-52603 Allen Watson Fri, 28 Aug 2009 00:12:14 +0000 http://targuman.org/blog/?p=3209#comment-52603 Hi, Chris, Really enjoyed this. I've been getting back into the Bible this year after a hiatus of about 20 years. I left off pretty much when I was a frustrated fundamentalist, went thru New Age-ness, 7 years as a Buddhist, and now firmly ensconced in a Unity church, which embraces the Bible as its primary source, but interpreted metaphorically and metaphysically, rather than literally. It's been an experience reading the Bible again without blinders, seeing the parallel and not quite harmonious accounts of things, and noticing the old assumptions, like "out of nothing", falling away. I'm currently enjoying a book, "Reading the Bible Again for the First Time," by Malcolm Borg. Allen Hi, Chris,

Really enjoyed this. I’ve been getting back into the Bible this year after a hiatus of about 20 years. I left off pretty much when I was a frustrated fundamentalist, went thru New Age-ness, 7 years as a Buddhist, and now firmly ensconced in a Unity church, which embraces the Bible as its primary source, but interpreted metaphorically and metaphysically, rather than literally. It’s been an experience reading the Bible again without blinders, seeing the parallel and not quite harmonious accounts of things, and noticing the old assumptions, like “out of nothing”, falling away. I’m currently enjoying a book, “Reading the Bible Again for the First Time,” by Malcolm Borg.

Allen

]]> By: John Hobbins http://targuman.org/blog/2009/08/27/in-the-beginning-what-was-really-there/comment-page-1/#comment-52602 John Hobbins Thu, 27 Aug 2009 23:57:38 +0000 http://targuman.org/blog/?p=3209#comment-52602 The attention John Walton's book is getting is a tribute to the great desire out there to read Genesis 1 and indeed all of Genesis on its own terms. What a huge step forward that would be. The attention John Walton’s book is getting is a tribute to the great desire out there to read Genesis 1 and indeed all of Genesis on its own terms. What a huge step forward that would be.

]]> By: Drew Tatusko http://targuman.org/blog/2009/08/27/in-the-beginning-what-was-really-there/comment-page-1/#comment-52599 Drew Tatusko Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:50:20 +0000 http://targuman.org/blog/?p=3209#comment-52599 you find the right comic all the time :-) i first read this bit in von rad's still masterful commentary. one of the few i can just...read...for pleasure even! we seem to, in the west, assume the lens from anselm is just what the text means - out of nothing. but, i forget who argued this elsewhere in the biblioblogsphere, if we read genesis as a text of worship where god's activity is primarily order out of chaos, it changes everything - including how we make sense of evolution. it sounds more like the order between god and humankind that the temple represents. that is, the cosmos is a place of worship and ordered for that purpose. i think that actually adds to the text a lot since we are no longer burdened to read it with a very messy baconian scientific framework (which renders either the reading of the text or the science pretty absurd.) oddly, or predictably, i have brought this line of argument up with many an atheist and many a fundamentalist before and both have often rejected it with virtually the same language. they seem to be stuck in a hermeneutical rut... you find the right comic all the time :-)

i first read this bit in von rad’s still masterful commentary. one of the few i can just…read…for pleasure even!

we seem to, in the west, assume the lens from anselm is just what the text means – out of nothing. but, i forget who argued this elsewhere in the biblioblogsphere, if we read genesis as a text of worship where god’s activity is primarily order out of chaos, it changes everything – including how we make sense of evolution.

it sounds more like the order between god and humankind that the temple represents. that is, the cosmos is a place of worship and ordered for that purpose. i think that actually adds to the text a lot since we are no longer burdened to read it with a very messy baconian scientific framework (which renders either the reading of the text or the science pretty absurd.)

oddly, or predictably, i have brought this line of argument up with many an atheist and many a fundamentalist before and both have often rejected it with virtually the same language. they seem to be stuck in a hermeneutical rut…

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