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	<title>Comments on: MSNBC Getting its house in order</title>
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		<title>By: Jeremiah</title>
		<link>http://targuman.org/blog/2008/09/08/msnbc-getting-its-house-in-order/comment-page-1/#comment-35344</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremiah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 01:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to see Keith Olbermann go back to sports reporting. That&#039;s probably the only thing he can manage to be objective about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to see Keith Olbermann go back to sports reporting. That&#8217;s probably the only thing he can manage to be objective about.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Brady</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Brady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 17:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Alex. I actually commented on this over a year ago: http://targuman.org/blog/?p=776. I won&#039;t rehash my views here other than to say that Stewart (whose show I quite like) doesn&#039;t get the notion of genre. Crossfire is NOT a &quot;news&quot; show like the evening news which reports events as objectively as possible with little comment. Crossfire was a commentary program &lt;i&gt;just like his show&lt;/i&gt;. His defense against any and all attacks, &quot;we come on after puppets making crank calls,&quot; is disingenuous. 

The real problem is, as MSNBC found out, when commentary creeps into, or in this case, overwhelms in a flood, what should be good old fashioned reporting. When you tuned in Crossfire you knew you were getting two angry (usually) white guys yelling at each other from polar opposite ends of issues. When you tune in the DailyShow you know you are getting parody and liberal leaning commentary on the day&#039;s news. When you tune in election coverage, at the point of an election event, you usually expect reporting, with perhaps commentary later in the program. &quot;So Diane, as a Democratic strategist, what did you think about the State of the Union address?&quot; 

The irony is that while MSNBC was trying to ape Fox News they missed the bit where Fox was pretty careful to separate out the news reporting from the commentary. Having Olbermann, and to a lesser extent Matthews, in the anchor seat rather than a 5 minute aside per hour, upset that demarcation and balance. 

At any rate, please do read my other piece on &lt;a href=&quot;http://targuman.org/blog/?p=776&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Stewart&#039;s visit to Crossfire&lt;/a&gt;. I actually use it regularly in classes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Alex. I actually commented on this over a year ago: <a href="http://targuman.org/blog/?p=776" rel="nofollow">http://targuman.org/blog/?p=776</a>. I won&#8217;t rehash my views here other than to say that Stewart (whose show I quite like) doesn&#8217;t get the notion of genre. Crossfire is NOT a &#8220;news&#8221; show like the evening news which reports events as objectively as possible with little comment. Crossfire was a commentary program <i>just like his show</i>. His defense against any and all attacks, &#8220;we come on after puppets making crank calls,&#8221; is disingenuous. </p>
<p>The real problem is, as MSNBC found out, when commentary creeps into, or in this case, overwhelms in a flood, what should be good old fashioned reporting. When you tuned in Crossfire you knew you were getting two angry (usually) white guys yelling at each other from polar opposite ends of issues. When you tune in the DailyShow you know you are getting parody and liberal leaning commentary on the day&#8217;s news. When you tune in election coverage, at the point of an election event, you usually expect reporting, with perhaps commentary later in the program. &#8220;So Diane, as a Democratic strategist, what did you think about the State of the Union address?&#8221; </p>
<p>The irony is that while MSNBC was trying to ape Fox News they missed the bit where Fox was pretty careful to separate out the news reporting from the commentary. Having Olbermann, and to a lesser extent Matthews, in the anchor seat rather than a 5 minute aside per hour, upset that demarcation and balance. </p>
<p>At any rate, please do read my other piece on <a href="http://targuman.org/blog/?p=776" rel="nofollow">Stewart&#8217;s visit to Crossfire</a>. I actually use it regularly in classes.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 17:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, Jon Stewart, of The Daily Show, can&#039;t stand Chris Matthews.  See Jim Babka&#039;s thanking of Stewart at http://www.positiveliberty.com/2008/01/love-letter-to-jon-stewart.html  I don&#039;t know if you&#039;ve seen the youtube of when Stewart went on Crossfire a few years back, but it&#039;s one of the most uncomfortable exchanges I&#039;ve ever seen on these &quot;Hardball&quot; type shows.  You can find it through the link above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, Jon Stewart, of The Daily Show, can&#8217;t stand Chris Matthews.  See Jim Babka&#8217;s thanking of Stewart at <a href="http://www.positiveliberty.com/2008/01/love-letter-to-jon-stewart.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.positiveliberty.com/2008/01/love-letter-to-jon-stewart.html</a>  I don&#8217;t know if you&#8217;ve seen the youtube of when Stewart went on Crossfire a few years back, but it&#8217;s one of the most uncomfortable exchanges I&#8217;ve ever seen on these &#8220;Hardball&#8221; type shows.  You can find it through the link above.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen to that last line.  Clearly NBC still does not quite know what to do without him.  Brokaw is not fitting the bill quite well enough even though he is reasonably holding serve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen to that last line.  Clearly NBC still does not quite know what to do without him.  Brokaw is not fitting the bill quite well enough even though he is reasonably holding serve.</p>
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